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News from Tim on "The Inside" and Comic Con

Posted on July 3, 2005 | Comments (131)

"There's something nice about being able to go from a hard drinking space western to a hard drinking whimsical comedy to a hard drinking abyss peering noir."

Okay, gang, here's what I do know...While the network hasn't said to me that they won't order more episodes, it sure does shake out that way. On Thursday they needed to extend their options on the cast and decided not to. Considering it would have been chump change for them, it basically means we're done.

I'm not ready to start hawking the 13 episode DVD set -- because I'm hoping it's gonna be a 15 episode set, including the two, you counted right, TWO! unaired pilots.

I'm pretty convinced the same thing that happened with a lot of the non-believers here with Wonderfalls and Firefly will happen if they get a chance to see the full 13 (well, 15).

I'm told by the network that they're "still supporting the show" and that we will continue to air. Which, if my experience tells me anything, means catch it while you can. If you wanna, I mean. I'm gonna make my bet right now that we'll have, not including any unaired pilots, six unaired episodes featured on that DVD set.

When I spoke to one my cast members about this, he offered that I must "be crushed." I'm not. This is pretty much what I expected, which doesn't mean I didn't pour every bit of energy, time and care I had into 13 episodes for the last year. I never consider it a waste of time. Or a waste of, well, their money. DVDs have changed a lot. If I end up being some little Americanized BBC, churning out limited series for DVD, and the people who employ me want to keep handing over 20 or 30 million dollars for me to do that, then I'll be perfectly content. There's something nice about being able to go from a hard drinking space western to a hard drinking whimsical comedy to a hard drinking abyss peering noir.

One final note, this press release for ComicCon is a bit premature. With things being what they are, that panel looks to be falling apart, so if you were going to make any plans based on it, don't. However X and the Plimsouls are playing that night in Orange County. Pretty sure I know where I'll be.

Tim


Comments

I'll be crushed *for* you. I really love The Inside. The cases have all been uniquely engrossing. Each character really shines in all their subtle and not-so-subtle moments. I love the humour that peeks through the darkness of the subject matter (Sim's treehouse climb scene cracked me up in Jane's episode). Incredibly sorry to hear of this. At least you know that the show was fantastic, because that's the exact kind of show FOX likes to kill.

Posted by: Luna at July 3, 2005 01:19 PM

Sigh. Fox, where the... I won't continue that quote.

Posted by: Kevin at July 3, 2005 01:28 PM

And once again, a show gets axed after I've already become a huge fan of it. This is the fourth show in three years, and three of them had Tim. I would be depressed, but Firefly, Miracles, and Wonderfalls sort of wore my depression out of me. Now it's like a badge of honor.

Seriously, I feel a little bit like Robert Lincoln must have. Nobody introduce me to new TV shows, please...every one I meet is doomed to get killed.

Posted by: Mason at July 3, 2005 01:54 PM

Well bugger!

I haven't had a chance to see the show yet( it hasn't made it to the UK) but I guess I'll be getting to see it on DVD .

Commiserations, and kudos on your attitude to the news.

Posted by: deb w at July 3, 2005 02:02 PM

You have a lot of grace about this. In the space of four episodes, I am completely hooked. The series has so much psychological potential. I'm crushed, and I'm only one person in the audience.

So sorry, Tim. Can't wait for what you do next.

Posted by: Heather at July 3, 2005 02:23 PM

Sorry Tim. But you know Fox is a bitch. We all know that. All Fox can is cancel beloved shows....


xoxo Nic

Posted by: Princess of Darkness at July 3, 2005 02:24 PM

Ugh. Fox. Idiots.

Posted by: Saskia at July 3, 2005 02:25 PM

Gorramn it Tim, sucks to be you (or not, chi-ching $$).

Personally I love The Inside, but I knew from Day 1 that Fox wouldn't keep it going. Never mind, when's The Inside movie coming out ;)

Posted by: Adam Baldwin's Beard at July 3, 2005 02:26 PM

Sad... very sad... :(

Posted by: SpookyRiverFan at July 3, 2005 03:04 PM

I've noticed that FOX is getting a reputation for cancelling shows that are what I call "Too Good For TV." Tim, be proud that you have THREE on that list. What a badge of honor!

Posted by: LurkingHorror at July 3, 2005 03:07 PM

Does that mean the eps with Steve Sandvoss will not air? :(

Posted by: Tttt at July 3, 2005 03:19 PM

Tim -

Thank you for your constant work in creating amazing TV.

I sympathize with you and all of your fans who have to deal with networks who just "don't get it".

I have been a major fan of Firefly, Wonderfalls, and now The Inside, and can't believe they axed such an amazing crime-drama when that's about all there is on TV besides reality nonsense.

Your kind spirit shows throughout this announcement and makes me respect you only more. If I was in your position I would not have been as graceful!

Perhaps those of your and Whedon's ilk should stop pitching to Fox and try the other networks (unless you already have and they are the same way).

Again, I'm so sorry and disappointed about the death of a wonderful show!

Posted by: Queen~of~Wonder at July 3, 2005 03:21 PM

Absolutely bloody typical.

FWIW, I've enjoyed the show very much. Totally creeped out by the last one (in a good way ;-)) and I'll miss it.

Fox have no interest in providing quality TV for their viewers, do they?

Posted by: Jane Davitt at July 3, 2005 03:32 PM

Fox has long known what a large following you have since the amount of Firefly DVD's sold, but seems all too willing to cash in on the droves of people they KNOW will buy the DVD set for only one half of a season. Think how much more they could mark up a 24 episode DVD than one with only 13 episodes.
I have been unable to square Fox's awareness (and now Hollywood's - with the cult following surrounding "Serenity") of your success reaching the part of America that has no interest in "Reality TV" or mediocre shows, with the fact that your shows keep getting cancelled by money men who seemingly don't want money.
As we will continue to follow your career wherever it leads, it will become increasingly clear to all of us why the big men in Hollywood cancel everything you do (even those shows they ask you to do). They have all the "numbers" they need to justify the existence of shows like "The Inside", but there are many that are afraid of great TV being unleashed on too many people whom they rely on to secure their lifestyle. Once exposed, it all goes away. Reality TV, bad crime dramas, bad everything. Then the population who watched TV would be too small for their large pockets.
We support you always and admire your optimism in the face of insanity. They can only hold you down for so long. We'll see you on the other side.

One of Millions

Posted by: Harrison at July 3, 2005 03:50 PM

Tim,

Longtime fan here. Love The Inside,
am so sorry to hear the news. But not
extremely surprised, as FOX seems to have
developed a sideline of ordering great
shows that they under-serve, then cancel
before they've had a chance to breathe.
I look forward to whatever it is you do
next. Thank you (Joss too) for all the
great TV.

Posted by: ltheory at July 3, 2005 04:20 PM

I'm truly sorry for you and for the cast and crew who put effort into the show, but I have to say that even though Angel and Firefly rank up there among my top favorite series ever, The Inside wasn't remotely doing it for me. Too derivative (so far), with the characters falling way to much into standard genre-tv-show, cookie-cutter roles (so far). Maybe that would have changed as the series continued, but as of now I'd much rather see Tim, Adam Baldwin and Peter Coyote move on to better things.

Posted by: Christian at July 3, 2005 04:34 PM

Bunch of arse!

I was pointed in the direction of this show less than a week ago and thanks to modern technology ..er.. caught up with the episodes so far, and enjoyed every minute of it.

I can't believe you're and the rest of the cast are having the rug pulled out from under you again!

(I also love that Adam Baldwin almost seems to be playing Danny like Jayne in a suit and tie. And the part where he was teaching the kid to hold a gun properly is probably my favourite scene.)

Hopefully, Fox will come to their senses and give this a decent run. When (If?) this makes it over here to the UK, It would be nice if there was a full series that I could recommend everyone to watch!

Posted by: Mark Owen at July 3, 2005 04:40 PM

This really, really sucks. I was really getting into The Inside. I am now in a bit of a dilemma -- if Fox know that they can get their money back in DVD sales from your shows, so that they don't need to bother investing time, effort and money making them work on TV, does that mean that enthusiastically buying the DVDs when they come out just makes it even more likely that they'll treat your next show the same way?

Posted by: Darren Brierton at July 3, 2005 05:38 PM

Sorry to hear this Tim. Thanks for yet another great show, I look forward to your future projects whatever they may be.

Posted by: John Martin at July 3, 2005 05:44 PM

New show.
Good reviews.
Building audience.
Cancellation.
Sell DVDs.

"Damn, I did that in the wrong order."

Is this Fox's new mission statement?

Posted by: Wyn at July 3, 2005 06:30 PM

Although, no surprise about FOX...I did have this blind faith that the station would have some sudden split personality and decide to follow-up the series with more episodes. And what the hell kind of series is Stacked to lead into The Inside? Weird.

Anyhow, The Inside is a marvelous show with a great cast :) Enough said.

Btw, are there any talks about any other potential networks picking it up? Lately, all the USA reruns of the 4400, and watching my taped eppies of The Inside, have me thinking it would be an interesting lead in to this series. Sorry, I'm bad with tangents. lol.

Posted by: Val at July 3, 2005 07:16 PM

AUGH! No fair! I love this freakin' show!

Posted by: John at July 3, 2005 07:44 PM

Ugh, how incredibly obnoxious. I have been sending them letters and e-mails every week letting them know how much I enjoy the show. How on earth do they determine which shows should stay and go when they completely ignore their viewers.

Posted by: Amy at July 3, 2005 08:17 PM

"Americanized BBC" - You crack me up, Tim. I'm now imagining tiny Minear Island, with you holed up in a studio, churning out bizarre, short-lived series...wait...never mind.

Too bad Fox had to be so damned predictable. I've been enjoying The Inside and thought it was getting better and better every week. Oh well, I will, as always, look forward to your next project eagerly. Maybe you could team up with that Denisof bloke. He seems to be looking for work. ;o)

Posted by: Kath at July 3, 2005 09:07 PM

I have only one thing to say to the suits in charge at Fox:

"Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!"

To you Mr. Minear and everyone else on the cast and crew of The Inside, I simply want to say thanks for putting on such a great television program.

In only four episodes it managed to become one of my favorite shows. So what else to do but enjoy it while it lasts, and be really miserable when it stops playing Wednesday nights.

Posted by: David MacDonald at July 3, 2005 10:20 PM

I'm sorry. I really enjoy your work. Are you contracted to stick with Fox? they don't seem very supportive.

Posted by: jason at July 3, 2005 10:21 PM

OK,What is wrong with Fox, these past 3 shows (Firefly,Wonderfalls,The Inside) have been great,original as hell and unlike any other network is churning out, so is it that people are so stupid and afraid to try something new or is Fox to blame for not promoting the show properly, I mean who are these geniuses whos job is it to come up with clever ways to promote the show, they should all be fired along with the head eprson in charge of programming over there, its like fox is just concerne with putting on reality crap shows wich soem are just complete rip offs of other shows, and animated shows, the people running Fox must be like a bunch of five year olds with their animated shows and a bunch of teens with whatever else they have on. I thought after Wonderfalls they for sure got the message and learned their lesson wich is: People want original programming, we don't want to see animation and rip off reality shows, you had sopmething great and you let it go, this was your third time doing this,wahts the matter with you, anyways a little advice Tim, well first of thanks for everything relating to Wonderfalls, great show and it gave me a chance to discover Caroline Dhavernas wich is just an amazing actress, and second im sure you might think the people over at Fox are great (or might not) but for your next show don't go to Fox, they've done you in three times, so if any other network doesn't want it take it to cable,anywhere but Fox!

Posted by: Anthony at July 3, 2005 10:21 PM

Awww Tim, you are such a guy! Well, stop by Comic Con anyway for the Serenity Panel or come by our Firefly Table, we love you. Please have lots of commentaries on the DVDs. This last episode really felt like the cast was gelling well. FOX sucks. Are they aware of the BDM coming from our failed show firefly.
I promise to show up for everyone of your shows.

Posted by: Karen Axtell at July 3, 2005 11:11 PM

Im sorry to say this but the show wasn`t all that good anyway. It was entertaining but nothing new under the sun.

Posted by: Zaphod at July 3, 2005 11:11 PM

I think FOX has got the reputation of being a show-killer not because they do it more than other networks, but because a lot of the shows they put into production are honestly very imaginative and unique, and hence are missed. I give them credit for at least striving to produce good product. But shows like this, that have depth and a plan towards a longer range of storytelling, require a degree of nuturing, with regards to establishing a viewership, that FOX seems hesitant to commit to. The big exception was 24, which the producers thought was going to get axed, so much so that they altered the first season storyline to end the principal situation early. But FOX got behind it instead, finished the season, got it on DVD before season 2 aired, and successfully made it a hit. I hope FOX can recognize when this approach is warranted. I also wonder if situations like this put the validity of the Nielson ratings system into question.

Posted by: David PC at July 3, 2005 11:27 PM

What the hell! Another good show cancelled! Tim, you keep on making good shows for an asshole network. What's the point of watching tv anyway, they are just going to cancel a show in less than ten episodes-it's so frusterating. A little note to anyone interested in watching Bones, Prisonbreak, Reunion, American Dad, or Invasion: DON'T. Your heart will be broken and it will be cancelled to make room for Nanny 911, Monkey Idol, or whatever show about bastard misbehaving kids. Most movies nowadays are simple and stupid and tv is the only place for some good mythologies, but when I watch tv all I can find is celebrity trash. I love the stories you tell and hope I can see them one day, but FOX is a piece of shit. Please don't work with them any more. What a bunch of pricks. I hope there is a special place in hell for everyone who makes decisions at that craphouse. Please release all your shows widescreen on DVD so we can all prove what a bunch of dipshits FOX is for getting rid of anything that has potenial. Oh ya, in case you couldn't tell, FOX cancelling your show is like fireants climbing up my ass, it hurts and pisses me off--network of fuckers.

Posted by: Ron Forchette at July 3, 2005 11:59 PM

What the hell! Another good show cancelled! Tim, you keep on making good shows for an asshole network. What's the point of watching tv anyway, they are just going to cancel a show in less than ten episodes-it's so frusterating. A little note to anyone interested in watching Bones, Prisonbreak, Reunion, American Dad, or Invasion: DON'T. Your heart will be broken and it will be cancelled to make room for Nanny 911, Monkey Idol, or whatever show about bastard misbehaving kids. Most movies nowadays are simple and stupid and tv is the only place for some good mythologies, but when I watch tv all I can find is celebrity trash. I love the stories you tell and hope I can see them one day, but FOX is a piece of shit. Please don't work with them any more. What a bunch of pricks. I hope there is a special place in hell for everyone who makes decisions at that craphouse. Please release all your shows widescreen on DVD so we can all prove what a bunch of dipshits FOX is for getting rid of anything that has potenial. Oh ya, in case you couldn't tell, FOX cancelling your show is like fireants climbing up my ass, it hurts and pisses me off--network of fuckers.

Posted by: Ron Forchette at July 4, 2005 12:00 AM

Shame the show will not continue, i really like what i have seen so far (first three episodes).

Best of luck for the future...

Posted by: Gerard at July 4, 2005 12:17 AM

I'll be honrest I can't say Fox cancels great shows, brecause they kept Arrested Development.

I think frankly Fox has made a fairly smart decision here.

Tim's shows have pretty much been love em or hate em. Either a ot's going to strike a chord with a large portion of the audience or it never will. (apparently there have been some conveerts by the later shows i certainly wasn;t one of them and i didn't see any on the Television without pity boards. Those who loved it, loved it, those who didn't never changed their minds.)

If the ratings suggest that it's not going to be a mass appealing show, they pull the plug. Counting on the fact that Tim has a cult following from his previous shows who will buy the dvds. (And they are counting on it, if they didn't know the fan following existed before Wonderfalls they do now) House will probably sell more DVDs in volume, but Inside will most likely sell a higher ratio of DVD's in comparison to the audience. For example only 20% of those who watched season one of house will buy the DVDs where as 40% of those who watched The inside will buy the DVD. And a large reason behind that is the unaired stuff.

It makes a lot of sense from a buisness stand point, why air the shows when you can make more money saving them for the DVD?

I suppose if you really want to teach FOX a lesson don't buy the DVDs tell them you'll watch The Inside on TV or not at all. (of course there is the obvious down side to that...)

I am surprised you're taking this as well as you are Tim I thought you'd be more annoyed at being genied a chance to tell all the stories you want to tell. I guess that's what the next show is for.

Posted by: Micheal at July 4, 2005 12:51 AM

So let me get this straight. This has been some sort of multi-million dollar teaser for a DVD.

ooooookaaaaaaay.

Karen

Posted by: Karen at July 4, 2005 01:35 AM

What I don't understand with Fox (not being from the US) is why they greenlight series and then don't give them a chance. Is it all explained by what their news service is like?

Posted by: Xie at July 4, 2005 01:51 AM

Micheal, refusing to buy the DVDs won't mean a thing to the Fox network. The studio, 20th, owns the show and will produce the DVDs. The network doesn't have a stake in it.

I don't expect anything I do will appeal to everybody. And I never expect anything I do will ever appeal to anyone on the Television Without Pity boards, frankly.

Posted by: Tim Minear at July 4, 2005 02:37 AM

Perhaps all the nice,quirky,creative people ought
to do a Byron Allen and buy their own network.

Revenue could come from ads for equally innovative
and worthwhile products (with great ads) and viewer support.

The people on the front end could _slightly_ reduce
what they receive in return for a larger chunk of future earnings.

They'd agree because they'd know that each project
was great from the beginning and would have time to grow.

It would be 'custom' ,niche broadcasting aimed at
the frustrated,underserved audiences for these
superb,underrated shows.

Let the producers,directors,performers and writers
do their own thing for themselves,by themselves
with the least amount of interference possible.

The result might be a television experience that
was creative,responsible,compelling and fun.

All the things mundane viewing is not.

What have we got to lose?

Posted by: quantumcat at July 4, 2005 02:37 AM

*sigh* And so it happens again, but your defiance in the face of Fox's senseless butchery is an inspiration to all of us aspiring writer/producer type folks, Mr. Tim. Here's to your next show ^_^

Posted by: Monster Zero at July 4, 2005 03:09 AM

I met Adam (Baldwin) at the London Film and Comic Con a couple weeks ago and he was just telling us about The Inside. Can't believe they've cancelled it already after only 4 episodes aired. At least Wonderfalls is getting aired on Sky 1 now in the UK. Hopefully it'll fare better over here (UK).

Really sorry to hear it's been done to you again. I hope some forward thinking network gives you the opportunity to really shine again. Just make sure you cast Katie and Adam again as they're both brilliant.

Good luck with any future projects, I know I'll be eager to see what's next (no pressure though lol).

Posted by: Sebassis at July 4, 2005 03:46 AM

Argh... I've been following[0] "The Inside" the way Mark Owen has, and I thought it was great! Sure, it's a FBI-murder-story-whatever setting, but finally we have something dark and very well written with great actors across the board... sheesh.. I _knew_ FOX would screw it up. I knew it.

They could have taken the money from "Bones" (which judging from the pilot, will suck ass -- if you don't mind me saying) and given it to "The Inside" instead.

Sigh.

Well, I bought the Firefly DVDs. I guess if you _promise_ to include the unaired pilots (I love to watch unaired pilots) I'll promise to buy the DVDs.

Posted by: eloj at July 4, 2005 04:44 AM

That's very sad to hear Tim, although to be honest from the begining I didn't think it would last because of the summer airing and the fall schedule for FOX. Brilliant show though, has really matured very quickly and last weeks episode was the best yet. The bit at the end with the mother in the pool sent a chill down my spine!!!!
Well, I'll continue to enjoy it while it lasts and then await the next Tim Minear project!!!

Posted by: reed at July 4, 2005 05:44 AM

Kudos and apologies, Tim et al.

How you've gone through this three times in three years without becoming as bitter and nasty as, say, Morgan & Wong, though... it's beyond me. You're a gentleman, dusty boots or not...

Keep the creative torches lit. We'll keep finding our way to you.

R

Posted by: Rick at July 4, 2005 05:48 AM

I hate that network!
I'm so sorry for you and your crew. You've done an amazing work, I love "The Inside" just like any of your shows. I hope you'll continue to create many of them (and the network will stop being so blind and stupid... Damn you FOX!) Count on me to buy the dvds.
Just so you know, you have a lot of fans here in France and we'll keep following your work. In the meantime, can't wait to see "Serenity"!

Best wishes, we love you ;)

Posted by: Delphine at July 4, 2005 06:12 AM

Ahh! The last time I was this pissed off was when Angel was cancelled. Tim, you are one of the best writer's out there, and if a network like FOX can't commit to you, how is there any hope for the rest of us?!

Posted by: Bianca at July 4, 2005 07:10 AM

Fuck you FOX! I will no longer watch new (or any) shows on your network. What's the fucking point? Are you're going to do is run 3-6 episodes and kill it. Wonderfalls, Firefly, Point Pleasant and now this!!! You're worst the The WB.

Posted by: D. at July 4, 2005 07:30 AM

You can't stop people to have shitty taste, no brain and being first grades fuck ups !!

Like quantumcat, I think you guys should all unite and build your own network !
i'll be sure finally some top every day quality channel on tv wouldn't hurt anyone ( except the fuck ups but don't we all want that ? :D )


Best of luck to you and all your crew who never disappointed us ( and god knows we've been following you guys for a lonnnnnnnng time :) ) in providing top quality Work !!
Eventually you'll be the last ones standing !

Posted by: Bradaviel at July 4, 2005 08:00 AM

Oh man, fox really do suck.

Im in the uk, havant had the chance to catch the Inside yet but i know i want to. Its Adam Baldwin and Tim ya know? :)

Still, im sure great things are bound for the cast and crew. Be optimistic, thats all we can be.

Sorry Tim, for you and your show.

Darren
Adam Baldwin Online - http://abonline.proboards3.com/

Posted by: Darren at July 4, 2005 08:28 AM

I'm sure Super Nanny Five Thousand will carry Fox to victory... screw you Fox and all you stand for you stupid bastards.

Posted by: Forrest at July 4, 2005 09:33 AM

I loved the show - and will continue to follow your work, whatever you do. After creating a silk purse out the sow's ear that was the original concept, you have every right to be disappointed, but there are a few pluses.

1) Fans can now completly avoid F*X. We no longer have to feel dirty for watching your show.

2) Perhaps this ends your contractual obligations to F*X. If so YIPEE!!

3) You now have the time to take another pass on "The Moon's a Harsh Mistress".

4) You'll now be free to write the script for the Serenity sequel. Cause we know you wanna.

Posted by: Znachki at July 4, 2005 09:52 AM

Tim-
I was wondering if you, or anyone else out there knew how to become a Neilson Rating member? Networks certainly want me to buy the products their advertisers are selling, but I don't seem to have a real voice as far as what shows stay on the air. The last couple years hve been tough for anyone who enjoys good tv, the cancellation of Firefly, Angel, Enterprise, and The Inside are all kicks to the nuts as far as I'm concered. I'd like a Neilson box in my house so maybe I could do my part in supporting shows I think are good. If anyone could help, drop me a line: darthpoopr@aol.com
Tim I hope you'll be even more successful in the future. It's clear poeple who enjoy your shows are behind you all the way and would like to see at least one of your shows succeed. Best of luck in the future, you can't stop the signal!

Posted by: Ron Forchette at July 4, 2005 10:00 AM

Tim-
Thank you for continuing to put some of the boldest, most original, most uncomprimising shows on the air. I will be putting the The Inside DVD on my shelf next to Wonderfalls, Firefly and all the other brilliant shows that the networks never gave the chance to take off but continue to tingle on repeated viewings.

Posted by: Jwieselman at July 4, 2005 10:09 AM

Sorry about this. I thought I had been having too much luck lately with shows I like actually surviving past episode six before the networks kill them off.

Still bitter about the little dead girl though ("Dead Like Me"), and many years later about "Cupid" and "Vengence Unlimited" (Mr. Chapel rocks!).

Posted by: Dez at July 4, 2005 11:04 AM

Fox sucks. They are so undeserving of your show.
I promise you though, I will be one of the first in line to buy that dvd !

Posted by: zoryphin at July 4, 2005 11:11 AM

Let me guess, the two unaired pilots make better introduction episodes than the one that aired?

I am not surprised by this news. I watched the entire run of Firefly this weekend and looked up the original airing order and somehow my inner ipod started to play the Beastie Boys' "Sabotage."

Tim, give up on Fox. They'll never not screw up your show as much as they can and they'll never not cancel them.

Posted by: at July 4, 2005 11:27 AM

Rackin' frackin', gorram, sonofagun, blankitty-blank, truck stop!

Ahem, what I mean to say is, I really like The Inside and I will be very sad if and when it goes away.

Posted by: Will at July 4, 2005 11:30 AM

Well, I am depressed. This was the one show I bothered to make sure I watched every week. Between this and the Frog Network turning down "Global Frequency", I have lost all faith in television executives - which, of course, was minimal to begin with.

Posted by: Joseph at July 4, 2005 12:14 PM

The funniest bit in the new Family Guy is the litany of shows Fox has killed over the last few years between the last FG and the new one.

They'd have to kill all those shows, Peter sort of says, before they would put us back on the air.

So, you are in good company. Some of those cancelled sucked, some of them shone, but they all suffered for being on Fox.

The current management would have killed X-files after season one.

Posted by: Mike Higgins at July 4, 2005 12:18 PM

Tim- I'm so sorry. This is all my fault. I should know by now that I am the KISS OF DEATH for any show, and that if I want something to survive, I should take, at most, a moderate interest in it.

Posted by: Emma at July 4, 2005 12:31 PM

Ugh.. I love this show. What is wrong with FOX? :(

Posted by: Lindsey at July 4, 2005 12:52 PM

Tim, I am sorry to hear this show will be cancelled, too. Basically, we've loved all your work since Angel.

I have to admit the ground this show walks on is old and tired. Neither my wife nor I really had no interest in "going there", since the whole "serial killer" or "violent crime police procedure" angle has been done over and over. Not a very happy escapist thing to watch, either.

But of course you USED all that. You found new ways to explore it, and twists that kept us guessing. The characters from episode one all had complex histories behind them.

Still... in the last two weeks, I haven't wanted to watch the show simply because of the subject matter. And yet... 10 minutes in, I'd check into it "just for a moment", and end up watching the whole darn show, and then watching it from the beginning again on a later channel to catch what I missed.

You invigorated what to me was a "dead genre". Keep up the great work and know that in the future, if it has your name on it, we'll be there to watch.

Posted by: M at July 4, 2005 01:09 PM

Tim, take your next show to UPN. They kept Veronica Mars on the air even though it was like 120th in the ratings. This is something Fox would never, ever do. Maybe UPN would actually be interested in keeping your shows on the air.

Or you could try F/X, the one Fox-owned network that actually puts on good shows and keeps them...

Posted by: VM fan at July 4, 2005 03:16 PM

I'm soooo sorry. I really liked this show and I hope that maybe just maybe FOX just made a mistake and all those contracts will get extended.

But then again FOX doesn't seem to be kind to great shows.

Maybe another network could pick it up?

Here's hoping and again I'm sorry.

Posted by: Gord at July 4, 2005 05:25 PM

This friggin blows, this is the first show ive really watched since like seinfeld. Which made I add did terrible its first 2 seasons on NBC and NOW FOX USES IT TO BOOST THEIR OWN RATINGS. I love the inside man, please DVD it, or get it to a new network or something, this can't just end. Your cast...amazing.

Posted by: Chris at July 4, 2005 06:47 PM

why does everyone get down on fox? they are the network that picks up these shows in the first place. you can hardly blame them if a show dosen't find an audience. sometimes its just bad timing, bad scheduling... but it seems to me fox tries out innovative TV shows something you dont' see one other free to air networks.

Posted by: justin at July 4, 2005 07:29 PM

Is there anything that we can do, that we can appeal to?

I feel like every time I like a show, it gets pulled out from under me -- I am so tired of network TV that I want to scream.

You know, when Moonlighting first premiered, as a midseason replacement, I believe, it came in 62nd in the ratings. It garnered interest with the help of reruns over the summer, and then was renewed for another season, to stellar ratings.

Networks don't give shows a change anymore. Not at all. And instead, don't care about the fanbases that have already developed with the shows, and will instead just pull it off, all in the name of "ratings" for another reality TV show.

There has to be something that we can do. There needs to be some sort of revamping so that good shows don't end up getting lost in the shuffle.

It sucks. It really really sucks.

Posted by: Mona at July 4, 2005 08:03 PM

I really really really really wanted to like this show. I really did. I kept watching the episodes, hoping it would get better, but after a while I just stopped. I'm not here to bash Tim, cause I love the guy and think he can do wonders. Loved, absolutely loved the work on Angel. But this show... I don't know. But I agree with Fox on this one if they do cancel it for sure. I am deeply saddened, because I want Tim to have another success. If this cancellation means that he'll start something else, then I'm all for it, cause The Inside was really not very good by any standard. I loved Virgil though, and really enjoyed Jayne, er Danny.

Posted by: sputnik at July 4, 2005 09:23 PM

I used to really like the Fox 10 years ago. I had a great run with the X-Files, Millenium, Malcolm in the Middle but now, if I like it, it's cancelled. My hubby brought me to Wonderfalls and I brought the Inside to him and now we are just wandering if we should hate TV altogether.

There is nothing to watch on TV during the summer hiatus, for once I was looking forward to something new and interesting to enjoy and they can't let your project breathe and build an audience.

I don't believe other networks are any better, we need you guys to find a spot on HBO, Cinemax and consort... like, soon; maybe even now?
At least, there, we know people actually pay for quality television and are not subjected to reality shows with no substance, no purpose and nothing intelligent to leave you with.

Would you consider converting to a new profession: author. "How to write, product and direct for Fox: just do the opposite of what I've done!" You might get really rich from all those aspiring hollywood staffers...

We love you guys, and will still be looking forward to the DVD release and your next projects.

Posted by: Pat at July 4, 2005 09:27 PM

The Inside instantly became one of my favorite (must-see) shows, and I'm very sorry to see it go.

I look forward to getting the dvd the first day it comes out (as I did Wonderfalls, Firefly, and every season of Angel).

Have you thought about goin into comics (writing)? Maybe you 'n Joss can start your own pub-co like the Wachowski's did w/ Burlyman. I guarantee I'd add all your titles to my pull-list.

If you'd write a comic (perhaps at IDW) about Illyria I'd be eternally grateful! :)

P.S. You know baseball's gonna kill Bones. :(

Posted by: Nightfly at July 4, 2005 09:37 PM

I cannot comment on the merits of the show as I live in the UK and have not (as yet) seen it. As far as the network is concerned, looking in from the outside, American networks seem to be completely insane in not allowing anything to grow when already so much time and money has been invested. Based on past performance we all know that you can WRITE, so I am putting this firmly down to an antiquated TV business model which includes the need to satisfy the lowest common denominator, coupled with ridiculous impatience.

Despite the professional attitude this must be disappointing and hurtful, not just for you but all the people who were involved in making the show happen and my heart goes out to all of you.

At the risk of being extremely annoying every cloud does have a silver lining and while it may not feel that way at the moment, maybe this is an opportunity to get away from Fox and move in a different direction which will be much more satisfying in the long run (hey, even Angel still had hope).

Anyhow, there are some of us out there who adore the writing, who appreciate intelligent films or TV and who just dont want to settle for mediocrity. Well still be there for the next thing and the next and the next!

NB nothing wrong with being the BBC, although no offence, Id rather not have it Americanised or even Americanized.

Posted by: Helen at July 5, 2005 01:06 AM

I haven't seen 'The Inside' yet, as I live in the UK, but I was really looking forward to it.
Once again, Fox have screwed us over. Maybe you should try making a show for another network. Or is that not possible? I don't really know what this sort of thing involves, with contracts and everything.

I admire you for being so gracious about the 'cancellation', though.
I loved your work on 'Angel' and 'Firefly', and 'Wonderfalls' starts tonight over here, so I'll be watching.
Keep up the good work. We need a bright spot in TV land at this time of the Reality TV craze. :)

Posted by: Stephen at July 5, 2005 04:17 AM

Adding my name to the "that sucks" pile...

Shame on FOX.

Posted by: The Partyman at July 5, 2005 04:34 AM

Fuck FOX
Try with some other Chanell!
The show was really good :(

Posted by: s.p. at July 5, 2005 05:35 AM

Well, go figure. Fox just isn't fun anymore. Don't ever give up Tim!! You're a genious and we NEED people like you in TV!! Keep writin'/producin'/flyin'!

Posted by: Liz at July 5, 2005 06:03 AM

While I can't say I'm surprised I can say I'm sad to see it go. The Inside was yet another brilliant show to add to your amazing resume. You've done a fine job and if your shows have to be limited series I own on DVD, then so be it. I'll keep buying and watching if you keep making.

The Inside will have a place reserved for it on my shelf next to the wonderful Firefly and the amazingness that was Wonderfalls!

Posted by: Travis at July 5, 2005 06:52 AM

On the other hand, perhaps you might try developing a show at a network that could give you the time to build an UNlimited series.

Frankly, I won't watch another show produced by you at Fox, because I've now been screwed three times.

Posted by: Tim Keating at July 5, 2005 11:47 AM

Okay it's time to create a site and a movement called "GREAT TV that tv executives *F*"

I am so sick of getting into great tv, spreading the word, and have friends get excited too only to have the show go away.

Network TV wonders why it's getting spanked by cable, niche networks and shows like the Closer on TNT? Because reality tv and a lack of faith in original programing are causing the good stuff to be replaced with fluff.

I am hoping some of the niche networks start taking note of people like Tim and allowing him and others like him to start a revolution in tv.

(Heck - Fox - have you caught the great original programing on your sister network FX? Do you remember that it took some time for X-files to catch on?)

There might be thousands of channels but that doesn't mean the quality of TV has to be watered down and lack imagination.

UGH

good luck on the next one Tim

Posted by: Michele at July 5, 2005 12:08 PM

ARG! And to think I was FINALLY numb enough to start something on the rebound, and now Fox kills my rebound show. That's it, I'm never watching TV again. Let's start a big direct to DVD TV thing, cos then I won't get my heart broken by news like this.
Well Tim, look at it this way, Joss is gonna need your help writing and directing the Serenity Sequel and now you will so be available to do so. Screw Fox, I say next time you make a show that is absolute shit from the get go, and watch it get picked up season after season cos that's all Fox really wants from you anyways. That and your soul. And a case of marshmallow chicks. I digress, sorry Tim, better luck next time, tell the rest of the old Mutant Enemy crew we are sorry for all of your losses. Maybe we should get the FBI to profile Fox to figure out why they are TVs biggest serial killers. -A

Posted by: Adrianna (Blackeyedgurl) at July 5, 2005 12:46 PM

HBO, Showtime - possibly FX. But really, Tim should talk to David Milch about premium cable.

Posted by: martin at July 5, 2005 01:59 PM

Tim -

Love your work!

I won't beat a (very) dead horse, I think everyone knows the incompetence at the helm of all the networks...(one more reality show and I'm going to dig my eyes out with a spoon...)

I definitely concur with a couple of other posters regarding cable (HBO, SHO, etc.) as a possible outlet for a show of this type (if not this show *exactly*!). I suspect the cable censorship liberties would even allow you to expand into new directions and take the show into even darker territory.

I've missed a few but the wifey and I just got a chance to see a DVR'ed recording of the "Pre-filer" episode - wow, easily one of the best episodes of any profiler/forensic/csi shows I've ever had the pleasure to watch!

Cheers! Look forward to your next project!

DT

Posted by: DT at July 5, 2005 02:14 PM

Tim...I love your perspective on this, and I agree that the limited series is the future of television. May you produce countless limited series. I'll watch them all.

I like The Inside, and I'm sure that with time I would have grown to love it. Coyote, Baldwin and Fineran all kick several flavours of ass, and the last episode with the kid murdered by the other kid was excellent.

In conclusion, thank you so much for Wonderfalls! My goodness that was too good for TV.

Tim, I host a radio show in Detroit, and would love to have you as a guest on the show if your'e ever in The D. Hell, I'd even be up for a phone interview.

peace out
Scott :-)

Posted by: Scott at July 5, 2005 06:30 PM

Dammit!

I was really enjoying The Inside... I'm in the UK, and I managed to... obtain it, with my fingers crossed for a UK TV airing. Looks like I'll just have to grab the DVD set when it's out.

This has ruined my day... *sigh*

Posted by: aniki at July 6, 2005 08:51 AM

MAN! fox please give the inside a chance!

maybe wb needs to buy more shows cause fox can't keep them going...can you tell i am upset? ugh

point pleasant
the inside
is both recent on chopping blocks

does "bones" have a chance? they already have their premiere date put off till later in the fall season or midseason...hummm and we can't forget tru calling the way fox played with them till they finally cancelled them....need i go on? wb what happened with you? buffy, angel and charmed stayed on for a long time(charmed coming back with 8th season)these shows would have never made it on any other channel...so maybe wb's new show supernatural has a chance with jensen ackles...

the inside needs a chance even though it was like the profiler...fox has the habit letting a show air 4 eppys and if it didn't have good ratings then kick them out....lately anyway

Posted by: bfanglfn at July 6, 2005 02:57 PM

wb needs to buy more shows...needs a better mix of shows then what they have....95% teen drama, 4% reality and 1% scifi fantasy shows...they need to even their mix out and buy more shows so fox will stop buying these shows wb would normally buy so we as the people would see these shows finish out at least the 1st season

Posted by: bfanglfn at July 6, 2005 03:01 PM

well Tim I'm sorry, I posted on every forum I go to and told all my friends to watch the show but unfortunately some people are just idiots. I've loved your work since you did Angel, then went to Firefly, and I have yet to see Wonderfalls, but I will get to it eventually. I was getting tired of all the crime type shows lately but since you were involved in The Inside along with my other favorites writers and directors from Angel and Firefly I knew it would be original and interesting. Then I watched it and I was right. I am very sad to see The Inside go but it's fox and I knew it was coming. Although I know you probably have to keep working and feeding the family so I know another project will come along eventually. If you keep working, I'll keep watching.

Posted by: Rick at July 6, 2005 07:21 PM

Nice epsiodes

Bummer about FOX.

Tonight's double feature episodes were really strong . . . it's all gelling

. . . . and the Webb turn is great.

Yup, just getting good when Fox gets cold feet.

To be fair; they did support the show to air . . . and that's a good thing.

Yes, soon Fox will have prematurely cancelled enough
really good shows to start yet another cable network to re-run them.

How soon FOX has forgotten that a "different" difficult genre
show pretty much put that net on the map . . . and THE X-FILES
didn't getting really cooking until mid-way thru the second season . . . . . guess they were more patient then.

Anyway,

Good work . . keep it up. . . . . and I like the idea of doing great series for DVD.

I do think the whole broadcast mass audience paradigm is shifting . . . somewhere. Unfortunately, as it shifts the
networks are trying to find the shift by sinking to the lowest common denominator

I, for one of many, will get the THE INSIDE - DVD set to compliment WONDERFALLS and SERENITY. . . and MIRACLES

Also.

and passing along this good stuff to Richard Hatem

-- I would also respectfully like to suggest a revisit of the
visual look of MIRACLES . . . again with all due respect I think the visual look of THE INSIDE could have benefited from more of the feel of MIRACLES and less of the feel of push chroma music videos.

I loved that whole anamorphic graphic feature MIRACLES look thing. I saw the eps broadcast in widescreen high definition and was mesmerized -- worked GREAT for the feel of the show.
and I mean REALLY worked; better than any show before or since. I was bummed they released the DVD in FULL SCREEN ONLY -- those philistines -- but I am glad they released it.

best,

captain celluloid

Posted by: captain celluloid at July 6, 2005 07:59 PM

Typical. Get something with brains that's not fully of soap opera material and the network never gives it a chance. After The Inside is done, I'm also done with FOX. Damn shame. When the series comes out on DVD, I'll buy it like I did Firefly, which is one of my favorite shows. Thanks, Tim, for giving everyone another excellent, if short-lived, program.

Posted by: Joy at July 6, 2005 11:02 PM

ARGH!

Thi is Lalla from Italy... I was following the show from here (and don't ask how... hum) and loved it from the first minute...

This sux so much... can't believe it's done after only 4 episodes... it's insane! @_@

Just wanted to say thank you Tim for some great hours of TV... I'm in love with those characters and its dark vibe! SIGH!

Already looking forward to your next show... best wishes!! :)

Posted by: Lalla at July 7, 2005 08:24 AM

Yet again the networks pull a great show after I get hooked! Is it really more cost effective to keep churning out possible big hits, when more realistically they end up being big flops because of the quantity of shows not the quality of the show is what's being shoved down our throats? FOX, wake up! You have a great show! Do some promoting! Give us the fans a chance to create more talk about it so that others will watch! Remember Seinfeld? How did it do in its first season?

Posted by: Marc at July 7, 2005 11:49 AM

Sorry, but this time your lead actress just sucks. I know that wasn't your fault in this case but that is pretty much the show's worst factor and reason for it's whole demise. You did a good job with what you had to work with, but my god, Nichols is laughable most of the time. Next time cast a real actress and not a model. Best of luck and really I meant this with the best intentions. I really do like you and support your work.

Posted by: donna at July 7, 2005 01:33 PM

oh puh-leaze donna, talkin from yer arse!

Posted by: farkin fox at July 7, 2005 03:02 PM

I've been a huge fan of the super hot and sexy Peter Coyote for at least 20 years. I love this man and would watch him do anything or listen to that voice all day long! I was sooo excited to see he was going to be on The Inside and he's why I watched the show initially. However, I knew when I saw the commercials for it and before it even aired; I sensed it was going to go the way of Pointe Pleasant and would be jerked out from under me no matter what. Fox needs to jump the reality train and let actors do their craft. Thank god I have all of the edisodes taped!

Posted by: nancye b at July 7, 2005 06:07 PM

Tim - I used to babysit for you in Whittier. You lived next door on Bradhurst. Would like to contact your mom and dad. You probably remember all of my kids Eric, David, Debi, Tony, Paige and Steve. Please get back to me. Love your programs. The Inside is quite interesting.

Posted by: judy at July 7, 2005 07:42 PM

As a very recent "discoverer" of Buffy and Angel (I'm a DVD only recent Buffy Angel convert. I actually began watching TV shows 24 and Alias and CSI, on DVD for 2 seasons before I began watching them on aired TV. ....and your show "Inside." is a great show---far more unique then CSI.

Fox must be nuts. They apparently are not interested in letting quality shows develop. TV Networks are only cutting there own throats---another example is the cancellation of the HBO series Carnivale. These executives are not using their heads, they need to realize that all they are doing is hastening the development of DVD series for home theater. Are they not aware of word of mouth? Or advertising?

All the intelligent TV production companies and writers SHOULD concentrate on DVD distribution and TV ads--just as theater films are advertised on TV. Film Investors want a return on their money and the DVD market combined with Home Theater----is growing. All the Buffyverse alumni should just start their own studio together and either buy a cable network, and/or concentrate only on DVD., No one wants to really get into a intriguing show only to have it yanked by some fool, who forgot to advertise and then wonder why the ratings are low. Had I not recently gotten into Buffy and the Buffyverse, I would never have heard about "the Inside."

Posted by: David Cole at July 7, 2005 10:17 PM

My god, the first series of it's kind I really get into and enjoy...and wham..UGH!

Posted by: Crumley at July 7, 2005 11:00 PM

I'm disgusted. Of course they rip this off the air, I mean, it's of actual QUALITY. How dare they show something that makes the average viewer think about what happens out in the world?! No, no, silly people...that would be threatening.

Just when I thought that one of my favorite movies had been made into a TV show, they rip it away from me. Bastards.

Posted by: Cyb at July 8, 2005 01:47 PM

I have decided not to watch Fox ! Good shows don't last - and this one is excellent. I watched for one actor and found I liked them all. Good scripts and tight stories. I'll keep watching for your writing, Tim.

Posted by: Dee at July 8, 2005 02:50 PM

I love this show! I was looking forward to the development of the characters over the season. There's that little spark between Rebecca and Paul too. I find the writing and acting are more real than the original Law & Order series. Does anyone else hate the cliched comments the detectives always make at the intro and end of each episode? And the loooooong narrative about "the criminal justice system". Anyway, Tim & his writers have a smart style of writing that I love in this show and really loved in Wonderfalls. Maybe by some miracle The Inside will be renewed. If it isn't, Tim, please keep those shows coming because you are a genius!!

Posted by: Diane at July 9, 2005 12:01 AM

It sucks, but hey - the ratings aren't great either - and business is business after all. You can blame Fox (you meaning the posters, not Tim) - but they have affiliates to keep happy and a business facing major changes to keep up.

Posted by: Jeff at July 9, 2005 01:41 PM

Can't believe this. When I started watching sthis show, I thought it will be nothing special. But the ending of the pilot pulled me in the other direction. It's been getting better since then. After episode 6 I am completely down, because of this news. Kinda hoping next episodes will suck(which I doubt) so I won't be so mad at fox for canceling another great show. They just dont wanna take a chance for another season. Lots of shows started with lousy ratings and raised high. Now it has to number one in its first week?!! Screw reality shows, I want INSIDE!!

Posted by: Ben at July 9, 2005 03:24 PM

The Inside is without a doubt the best new drama since the first season of CSI (Las Vegas). It's not for the faint of heart and it takes the audience to a level of reality that we've never seen before. I can't believe that intelligent inquisitive minds prefer the Surreal Life, Real World, I Want To Be A Freakin' Hilton to original well written edge of your seat drama like The Inside.

We can only hope DVD sales force a comeback as with another of my favorites, The Family Guy. The Inside is worth fighting for. Hats off to an amazing cast.

Posted by: Denise at July 11, 2005 01:16 PM

Fox sucks you have no ideal what a good show is The Inside Is great!!!!! But then again Fox would like a show like britney spears life....boneheads

Posted by: thomas wright at July 11, 2005 02:56 PM

Fox has no idea what a fanbase is. They pump us full of reality tv and throw us a bone or two (The Inside, Firefly)in between, only expecting them to fail.
Great tv shows are written..not reality. When are they going to get that???

Thank you Tim for all the hard work you put into The Inside (and Firefly) and please know that some of us appreciate and believe in your work.

Posted by: Kim at July 11, 2005 04:21 PM

No, no, no.

Television is an INVESTMENT. If they want better ratings, they should get off their precious bums and start investing in this QUALITY TV show. With a lead in like Stacked and poor trailer air time, come on FOX, did you think word of mouth travels that quickly?

Ugh. Is there ANY way to save this show?

Posted by: Jessica at July 11, 2005 07:34 PM

The last part of the 2 part episode, last week, was genuinely creepy, in the 'giving serial killers ideas creepy; it was good, but over the
top.

Posted by: narciso at July 12, 2005 07:52 PM

F' Fox, F'ing F'ers!

Posted by: goodtime at July 13, 2005 07:38 AM

Tim,
I'm really bummed about this. I love The Inside.
Is there any way the show can be saved from FOX cancelling it?

Posted by: Cristy at July 13, 2005 12:08 PM

I'll be at the X/Plimsouls show, too. Been looking forward to it!!!

Posted by: Michael at July 13, 2005 05:08 PM

I can't believe Fox could cancelled such a great show. Usually most shows have great pilot then the series goes down a bit but not this show. I guess i knew it would be cancelled since Fox decided to air it during the summer. They could of used American Idol like they did with House and i'm sure The Inside could of been a great hit. Can't wait for the dvds, i really want to see more and i hope it will be soon. Thanks for an other great show Tim!!!!!!

Posted by: Rydeen at July 13, 2005 07:12 PM

ABC could use your magic Tim. They're taking on edgy shows like Desperate Housewives and Lost. I would recommend taking the show to NBC, but there could be a "law" against that sort of thing "and" there could be a conflict of the TV scheduling "order" they have. I tried to resist, but I couldn't. And be sure you use Katie Finneran again. She's great. So is Peter Coyote. And I will also stick up for Rachel Nichols and say that I believed every word and utterance that came out of her mouth. Her experience is not nearly as extensive as Coyote, but playing a lead role in can be challenging for anyone. Seldom do gorgeous actresses get tough roles and seldom do they perform adequately. But I was definitely impressed. And Coyote, wow. Without a doubt I'll remember that guy when I go to sleep tonight, and not Nichols. LoL. By the way, Wonderfalls is the only TV series DVD on my shelf.

Much love and respect-
a fan

Posted by: Simon at July 14, 2005 12:24 AM

Looks like Fox is pulling "The Inside" next week!
"So You Think You Can Dance" will be airing instead. What a bunch of crap! "The Inside" is a special show and I think we may see it popup somewhere else.

Posted by: Tim at July 14, 2005 05:46 PM

Hi Tim !

I'm from Quebec, Canada and I really love your work, seriously !
I'm really tired to see my favorite show getting cancelled !! Dark Angel, Wonderfalls, Firefly, Point Pleasant, True Calling and now The Inside !!
I don't understand why Fox doing that ! rrrrrr
Why you don't give it a try with another network ?? You know, another network who will let the talent of yours on air !!
Like UPN or another one.

I'm really sad, I loved that show !!
I'm really into it ...
If it's really getting canceled, I'm not continue to watch anymore shows on Fox ... it's not worth it, they always cancelled my favorites shows :'(

Maybe if we all sign the petition, it will change the decision of Fox ??

There is some petitions here :

http://www.petitiononline.com/inside/petition.html

http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/theinside

And some good reviews :

http://walttv.tbo.com/walttv/MGBTSM4QO9E.html

http://www.ctnow.com/tv/hce-tveye0608.artjun08,0,351669.column?coll=hce-utility-tv

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8487655

Thanks Tim for your great shows and I really Hope Fox will chnge his mind ....
Brigitte (^_^)

Posted by: Brigitte at July 14, 2005 11:01 PM

I've finally learned that to become a fan of a series on FOX means it will be doomed to cancellation...not because it isn't superior, or because it is totally out of the ordinary...this all started w/me on KEEN EDDIE, a police/crime show set in London with humor & stunning looking male/female leads which doomed it to concellation simply because the production values, acting, wit, and stories were too GOOD for FOX. And now Mark Valley must be a handsome wooden stick on FOX's bland, boring Boston Legal. At least he's working on a palid show rather than the truly dull, boring, flat and cancelled The Inside. And
Sienna Miller graduated from KEEN EDDIE @ FOX to Jude Law @ ALFIE. So perhaps in all it's rumblings it did do somethings well; however, it just won't be the The Inside show this time.

Posted by: Mark Martin at July 15, 2005 01:12 AM

Oops! I spoke too soon. The Inside is scheduled to be back on in 2 weeks.

Posted by: Tim at July 15, 2005 12:43 PM

They didn't even let this exceptional series find its audience! Why not model SciFi channel's marketing idea of putting an episode or two on the website and let us, the fans, use out email address books to evangelize people about the show?

They didn't cancel "The X Files" after it's lackluster (ratings-wise) first season. And hundreds of millions of dollars and a theatrical release later, look how that turned out.

I can't tell you how disappointed I am about this -- I was really enjoying tv again, for the first time since Firefly and Buffy were on the air.

Thanks to everyone who worked on this brilliant series. You did outstanding work and there's much to be proud of for the efforts.

Best,
R-

Posted by: RipleyX at July 15, 2005 02:45 PM

Well, stuff Fox, because I've enjoyed it, and I'm looking foward to whatever episodes are still left to show.

Posted by: JonathonP at July 15, 2005 11:07 PM

Tim,
I am so sorry to see Fox take the easy way out at your expense. The Inside was actually the only show I was looking forward to watching this Summer, and I haven't missed nor intend to miss an episode. The DVD is on my personal wishlist. Have you ever thought of the possibility of making a show specifically for direct-to-dvd release? A season of a non-televised show on dvd seems like a novel idea with fans getting sick of thier favorite shows getting cancelled all the time.

To those who are defending Fox, Fox is definitely at fault for not giving the show an appropriate strong lead-in. Stacked may be doing ok but there obviously is a different target audience there than the outside. They need to go back to programming a night intead of a timeslot.

Posted by: Jay at July 16, 2005 02:10 AM

So Tim - did you see the show last night? X were great, and the Plimsouls' guitarist was on fire. Great show for me...

Posted by: Michael at July 16, 2005 10:32 AM

Fox..._!*)@#%&&)@....I am so tired of them cancelling every program that is actually good and keeping the dregs...sigh.

Posted by: terri at July 17, 2005 12:12 AM

This sucks. I was hooked after one episode and I HATE crime dramas. Fox sucks. I hate them and this is the last damn straw!!

Posted by: Cassandra at July 17, 2005 04:37 PM

I am so angry.

Word on the street is that The Inside is too violent for children which makes for poor ratings with families who want more appropriate shows with their kids. Sure, the larger percentage of television viewers is families. But what about the ones who don't have kids!? What about US!?

I'm getting more and more bitter about the MOM FACTOR with every day that passes. It's as though people don't even acknowledge your existence if you're not someone's mother, but if you ARE, you don't acknowledge your OWN existence as anything OTHER than someone's mother! The moral majority and the religious right and the discrimination against people who don't have kids, and the superiority of those who do really make me sick, as well as the selective censorship. I don't care if you have kids. YOU take responsibility for them! Don't tell ME what I can and cannot watch!

Fox sucks. They KNEW what type of show it was when they picked it up.

This pisses me off to no end.


Posted by: LESA at July 18, 2005 02:49 PM

I was introduced to "The Inside" by a friend and have really enjoyed it. I am sorry Fox gives so little support to these shows, few promos. They need to take a look at TNT, USA, and SCI-FI. Those networks know how to promote shows!

Posted by: Tony at July 20, 2005 09:09 AM

Hey Tim and fellow fans,

By the way...the teaser for the upcoming episode where Peter
Cayote goes off the deep end??!!!
Did everyone here see that?
Holy Sh*T!
Talk about an unexpected ballsy gripping dramatic plotline.
The upcoming promo at the end of yet another amazing episode just messed me up! Brilliant. I need to see that.
I have been wondering when it was going to air and then I googled myself into here and saw what was going down.
At least 'Millenium' was allowed to air more than one season.
(season 2 being quite outstanding)
Note to Tim, ever consider Lance Henrickson for a project?
But I digress, The Inside has such a cinematic beautiful creepiness to it and as a composer I really ate up the excellent sound design and music.
And I want to chime in and say I like the lead alot, and she's shines even brighter with someone with the 'gravitas' of Peter Cayote in the cast.
Well I'm glad FOX is at least going to air some more episodes.
It's a cruel business after all, I don't know how FOX runs their shop but it's clear they are no HBO. The Inside's lead in 'Stacked' is clearly "whacked". What a throwaway lamely written cliche of a show- and then it's followed by dark dramatic brilliance?
Art and commerce, strange bedfellows indeed.

Much respect Tim and Rock on!

Posted by: Chris at July 21, 2005 06:34 PM

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Posted by: Chris at July 21, 2005 06:44 PM

Michael -- X/Plimsouls and Maria McKee were awesome. So glad I went. Though I should have worn a belt. I had to dance while holding my pants up.

Guys, you know how I predicted there would be six unaired eps on the DVD? Then the network assured me they were going to air the episodes. Well, I haven't changed my prediction. They're not airing us next week either, now. There's a chace they might air one to four more, I'm sort of hoping they don't at this point. Easily the best episodes will be the unaired ones on the DVDs. Here's keeping our fingers crossed the studio finds releasing the full 13 a good move.

Posted by: Tim Minear at July 21, 2005 11:21 PM

Oh My Goddess another show I actually LIKE gone. I am starting to get sick of Fox. They start great new shows that have depth and potential, then poof without a word to the public it's gone. While they leave crappy no-brainer shows on to kill any inteligence, the people who are watching them, have.

Sorry about getting all worked up but I personally loved The Inside and am completely disgusted at Fox for taking another great show off the air. Ok, so no matter if it's 13 or more episodes on that DVD set, I'm buying, as this was a wonderful show, with a wonderful cast, and I loved it.

Posted by: Amanda at July 26, 2005 03:13 PM

One of the best shows on TV to date....what a shame! I mean...what are they thinking. Matter of fact my wife and I couldn't believe an episode wasn't being shown last week. So.... we've been on the edge of our seats all this week to see the next show. What a let down! I hate for anyone to lose his or her job but some exec should.

Posted by: Adrian at July 27, 2005 06:10 PM

Funny thing, once again in this predicimant w/fox. When I started wathing the inside, my boyfriend joked why bother its just going to get cancelled!! Well well, whats up with Fox!!?? Personally I dont like American Idol and now they are cramming that new show so you think you can dance down our throats. It seems like they put all their focus on one show. I got into Point Pleasant last year and they just took that one off without finishing it too. Its really really starting to irritate me.

Posted by: KatyKat at July 27, 2005 06:22 PM

I have been going crazy looking for what happened to The Inside! 2 weeks in a row it hasn't been on. Now I know, thanks to your website, that it is a goner. I am really glad now, that I recorded and kept most of the episodes that aired. I certainly will keep looking for additional episodes, and will most definitely buy the dvd. It is such a smart show! And my main reason for watching was due to Peter Coyote. What icing on the cake it was to have the rest of the cast be just as superb! Fox, I hope the rest of your ratings go in the tanker!

Posted by: pirate wench at July 27, 2005 07:46 PM

Could Fox care enough about a show to advertise it? Stumbled onto it and found my new Profiler, only better. Interestingly enough, TV Guide still lists them as if they were airing episodes. And who cares if these episodes aren't suitable for little children? Control your children and they won't be watching it.

Posted by: Ann at July 30, 2005 07:07 AM

I am going to be Gutted, i love this show, they put shows on tv that are rubbish this is a great show and its not being shown weekly

Posted by: marie at July 30, 2005 04:04 PM








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